Compare Garmin Forerunner 165 vs Apple Watch Ultra 2

Music controls were criticized as unintuitive during runs.

Music controls and playback improved, with reviewers liking speaker playback and using the watch for audio without a phone or headphones.

Blood oxygen tracking was treated as a useful extra by reviewers who valued the reassurance, though broader accuracy was not deeply tested.

Blood oxygen tracking drew negative evidence in older reviews because patent-dispute availability issues frustrated users who wanted the feature.

Materials quality was mixed: plastic kept it light and affordable but felt less premium.

Materials quality was strong, with reviewers praising titanium, premium feel, and classy finishes.

The app ecosystem was useful through Connect IQ and Garmin features, but Garmin's broader platform could still feel intimidating.

The app ecosystem was framed as a major advantage of the Ultra 2 as part of Apple’s broader smartwatch platform.

Comfort was consistently excellent, with reviewers praising the lightweight feel for all-day wear and sleep.

Comfort was mixed: some found the Ultra 2 comfortable, while others noted crown irritation, tugging, or adjustment time from the large case.

Wellness insights such as Morning Report and Body Battery were considered fun, useful, and sometimes addictive.

Wellness insights were mixed: Vitals and glanceable health context were useful, but Apple Health was criticized for weak interpretation and poor user-friendliness.

Mapping and navigation were useful for breadcrumb routes and GPX/course following, but the lack of full maps was a repeated limitation.

Mapping and navigation were the most mixed outdoor feature: useful for casual hikers, but limited by phone dependence, basic compass navigation, and uneven topo detail.

Third-party app/widget support was available and sometimes useful for tailoring data, though one reviewer did not find it especially useful.

Third-party app support was a standout, with reviewers praising the selection and the ability to fill mapping or sports gaps with apps.

Value for money was one of the strongest areas, with reviewers repeatedly calling it a high-value or sweet-spot Garmin.

Value for money was mixed: some reviewers saw strong value for the feature set, while others said upgrades or the $799 price were hard to justify.

Onboard music storage drew split views: handy or smooth for some, but tedious and poor value for others.

Onboard music storage was viewed positively because the increased storage helps offline media use.

Reliability was praised in workout use, with one reviewer reporting no issues with stability.

Reliability evidence was positive for specific features working well, but navigation/user-error risks kept it from being flawless.

The interface was repeatedly described as simple, approachable, and easy to use.

The user interface was mostly easy to learn, but Apple Health organization drew criticism for feeling messy.

Recovery insights were useful but clearly limited versus higher Forerunners, with some reviewers calling out missing readiness/load tools or odd recovery estimates.

Recovery insights were a repeated weakness; reviewers wanted Garmin/Whoop-style readiness, training effect, and recovery interpretation.

Button controls were a major strength, especially for workouts, gloves, sweat, rain, and avoiding touchscreen reliance.

Button controls were mixed: the Action Button, crown, and Double Tap were often useful, but some reviewers forgot or underused them.

Size options were limited because the watch comes in only one size, though one reviewer liked the in-between fit.

Size options were a repeated drawback because the Ultra 2 is only offered in a large 49mm case.

Charging convenience was mixed: secure contacts helped, but the proprietary/short cable was a drawback.

Charging convenience was helped by multi-day use and quick top-ups, though reviewers still noted the need to manage charging.

Smartwatch features were considered respectable for a training watch, especially notifications, Garmin Pay, music features, and basic phone-linked tools.

Smartwatch features were consistently praised, especially the Apple ecosystem, app support, connectivity, and day-to-day versatility.

Garmin Pay was viewed as a straightforward, effective contactless payment feature.

Contactless payments were praised as part of Apple’s top-tier smartwatch services and general usability advantage.

Safety features such as LiveTrack were valued for sharing location during activities.

Safety features were a clear strength, with siren, waypoints, crash/fall detection, and personal-safety framing earning praise.

Style and design were viewed as slim, low-profile, sleek, and suitable for daily wear, though still sporty.

Style and design were split by finish: reviewers liked the sleek black look, but some noticed scuffs more easily.

Smartphone notifications were described as reliable and easier to read on the AMOLED display.

Smartphone notifications were useful, especially with Double Tap and fast notification replies, and reviewers treated them as part of the watch’s everyday strength.

Workout variety covers most mainstream running, gym, cycling, swimming, and fitness needs, but reviewers consistently noted missing triathlon or backcountry profiles.

Workout variety was viewed as strong for mainstream training, with varied sport modes and enough running coverage for most non-specialists.

Charging speed was praised in the reviews that discussed it, ranging from under two hours to very fast top-ups.

Charging speed was acceptable but not class-leading, with about 90 minutes to full and slower fast charging than Series 10.

Pairing reliability for headphones was described as generally solid.

Pairing reliability had one direct positive setup impression, with the watch pairing smoothly in the reviewer’s test.

Watch face quality was praised for full customization.

Watch face quality was praised, especially Modular Ultra and Night Mode presentation on the large display.

Heart-rate accuracy was generally praised across runs, rides, and intervals, with only occasional optical-sensor lag or spikes.

Heart-rate tracking was one of the strongest areas, with multiple reviewers reporting close agreement with chest straps or other control devices.

Build quality was viewed as solid and well-made for a lightweight running watch.

Build quality was praised for the rugged titanium case, premium construction, and confidence in harsh environments.

Coaching and structured workouts were praised as approachable, flexible, and valuable for beginner and intermediate runners.

Coaching features improved with Training Load, perceived effort, and structured workout support, though evidence suggests they still sit below specialist training platforms.

Garmin Connect was seen as powerful and useful, with cleaner or comprehensive analysis, though one reviewer found the redesign not much easier.

Companion app quality was split: Apple Health was praised by one reviewer, while another disliked fragmented data across apps.

GPS accuracy was one of the strongest themes, with most reviewers finding reliable tracks even without dual-band GPS; a few dense-terrain issues remained.

GPS accuracy received strong agreement, with reviewers praising dual-frequency/multiband performance against Garmin watches, distance tests, and difficult environments.

Fit was strong for many wrists, with secure wear and little slipping, though the single case size remained a caveat.

Fit was praised in one outdoor-focused review for staying secure during daily use and activity.

The operating experience was familiar and straightforward for Garmin users.

The operating system experience was positive overall, with watchOS and Smart Stack improving everyday usability.

Sleep tracking was mostly viewed as useful and directionally accurate, though one reviewer reported a poor night that the watch missed.

Sleep tracking was generally seen as accurate for sleep/wake timing and duration, though some reviewers still wanted richer guidance from the data.

Software smoothness was praised as simple, fast, and accurate in use.

Software smoothness was consistently strong, with reviewers describing the watch as zippy, responsive, snappy, and lag-free.

Brightness was strongly praised in sunlight and adaptive lighting conditions.

Brightness was praised for the 3,000-nit upgrade and outdoor readability, though a few reviewers found the improvement subtle in practice.

Customization was a strength, from watch faces and widgets to activity screens and data pages.

Customization options were strong through Modular Ultra complications, widgets, and configurable watch layouts.

Touchscreen responsiveness was widely praised, including smooth swiping, reliable taps, and usability with gloves or wet screens.

Touchscreen responsiveness was praised for accurate, hassle-free input and joy-to-use responsiveness.

Display quality was a standout strength thanks to a crisp, vibrant AMOLED screen, though one reviewer still preferred MIP for always-visible use.

Display quality was one of the strongest consensus areas, with reviewers repeatedly calling the screen excellent, impressive, and among the best on any smartwatch.

Band quality was mostly comfortable and flexible, but one reviewer warned the stock strap needs frequent washing to avoid irritation.

Band quality was generally positive across Trail, Alpine, and Milanese-style bands, though sweat absorption and muted colors created caveats.

Battery life was generally good for an AMOLED Garmin and daily training, but reviewers flagged limits for long adventures, always-on use, or heavy GPS/music.

Battery life had the most evidence: excellent for an Apple Watch and anxiety-reducing for many reviewers, but still short versus Garmin-style endurance watches.

Fitness tracking accuracy was praised for broad data quality and even strength-training rep counting in testing.

Fitness tracking accuracy was praised, especially for workout pulse, path snapping, GPS syncing, and broad activity tracking.

Durability was reassuring, with reviewers reporting no concerns and even real-world abuse without damage.

Durability was strong overall, with evidence of no scuffs, no visible wear, and confidence against daily abuse.

Water resistance was considered more than enough for rain, sweat, showering, and swimming use.

Water resistance and dive support were viewed positively, especially for recreational diving and Apple Watch-leading water friendliness.

Outdoor visibility was excellent in direct sun and bright conditions.

Outdoor visibility was excellent, with reviewers reporting easy screen reading in bright conditions.

Bluetooth headphone pairing was reported to work without problems.

Bluetooth connectivity received limited but positive evidence around cycling accessory support, especially power meters.

Reviewers described the Forerunner 165 as having reliable sensors and detailed data collection for general health and fitness tracking.

Reviewers found the Ultra 2’s health tracking credible for sleep-related disturbances and general health metrics, with heart-rate-linked data repeatedly described as accurate.

Menu navigation was considered intuitive after a short adjustment period.

Menu navigation evidence was positive around Smart Stack surfacing useful information at the right time.

Stress tracking was mentioned as part of the watch's helpful health-glance system for knowing when to ease off.

Mood and mindfulness tools were viewed positively when reviewers discussed clearing the mind or logging moods, though this evidence is more about mindfulness than advanced stress analytics.

Activity auto-detection worked well in the evidence, with brisk walks automatically logged into the user’s activity rings.

Call handling was strong in the evidence, with a test call described as clear, loud, and phone-like to the person on the other end.

Calorie tracking appears within Apple’s rings system and was judged useful as part of the broader activity-motivation loop.

Cross-platform compatibility was a clear drawback because reviewers called iPhone dependence a real disadvantage for Android users.

ECG was treated as part of Apple Watch’s serious health-safety suite, with reviewers connecting it to potentially life-saving monitoring.

LTE connectivity was treated as a practical strength, supporting calls, streaming, messaging, and phone-free smartwatch use.

Step counting was reported as close to other tested devices.

Voice assistant quality improved with on-device Siri and faster responses, but dictation and offline capabilities still had occasional limits.

Wi-Fi/music setup drew criticism when troubleshooting made the watch appear connected even though playlist syncing failed.