Compare Garmin Forerunner 165 vs Suunto Race 2

Reviewers described the Forerunner 165 as having reliable sensors and detailed data collection for general health and fitness tracking.

One review raised broad tracking concerns, saying steps, calories and heart rate needed improvement rather than treating the watch as fully dependable for health metrics.

Safety features such as LiveTrack were valued for sharing location during activities.

Safety features drew a serious concern from one reviewer about exposed public activity start and end positions.

Step counting was reported as close to other tested devices.

Step counting was a recurring weak spot in the evidence, with reviewers saying the Race 2 miscalculated steps or produced very low counts.

Touchscreen responsiveness was widely praised, including smooth swiping, reliable taps, and usability with gloves or wet screens.

Touchscreen responsiveness was criticized in one review for being too sensitive and prone to accidental inputs.

Garmin Pay was viewed as a straightforward, effective contactless payment feature.

Contactless payments were called out as missing, contributing to the watch's limited smartwatch feature set.

Smartphone notifications were described as reliable and easier to read on the AMOLED display.

Smartphone notifications were described as basic because the watch can display them but not respond from the wrist.

Watch face quality was praised for full customization.

Watch faces were generally seen as basic or lightly customizable, with limited options compared with Garmin or COROS.

Customization was a strength, from watch faces and widgets to activity screens and data pages.

Customization was uneven: reviewers liked some configurable widgets and screens but criticized limited watch-face options, sport-mode setup friction, and direct customization limits.

Smartwatch features were considered respectable for a training watch, especially notifications, Garmin Pay, music features, and basic phone-linked tools.

Smartwatch features were consistently limited, with reviewers repeatedly noting that the Race 2 is training-first rather than a phone-like smartwatch.

The interface was repeatedly described as simple, approachable, and easy to use.

User interface feedback was split, ranging from easy and sensible on runs to clunky, unintuitive, or difficult to get used to.

Materials quality was mixed: plastic kept it light and affordable but felt less premium.

Materials quality received positive evidence from the feel of the metal buttons and digital crown.

Menu navigation was considered intuitive after a short adjustment period.

Menu navigation was mixed: some controls were manageable after learning, while the sports menu and many submenus frustrated reviewers.

Music controls were criticized as unintuitive during runs.

Music controls were considered acceptable for basic phone control, but not a deeper music experience.

Stress tracking was mentioned as part of the watch's helpful health-glance system for knowing when to ease off.

Stress-related HRV insight was viewed as underexplained, with one reviewer saying the daily average lacks enough context for new users.

Charging convenience was mixed: secure contacts helped, but the proprietary/short cable was a drawback.

Charging convenience improved substantially, with reviewers praising the redesigned magnetic charger and more secure dock.

The app ecosystem was useful through Connect IQ and Garmin features, but Garmin's broader platform could still feel intimidating.

The app ecosystem received positive evidence from SuuntoPlus, with one reviewer saying integrations made the watch feel less insular than rival fitness watches.

Onboard music storage drew split views: handy or smooth for some, but tedious and poor value for others.

Onboard music storage was a repeated shortcoming, with reviewers noting that offline playback is not available despite expectations for a premium sports watch.

Button controls were a major strength, especially for workouts, gloves, sweat, rain, and avoiding touchscreen reliance.

Button controls were mostly praised as clicky and usable during activity, though one reviewer had a sticky-button problem.

Workout variety covers most mainstream running, gym, cycling, swimming, and fitness needs, but reviewers consistently noted missing triathlon or backcountry profiles.

Workout variety was consistently praised, with reviewers highlighting broad sport-profile coverage and comprehensive tracking for mainstream and niche activities.

Wellness insights such as Morning Report and Body Battery were considered fun, useful, and sometimes addictive.

Wellness insights were useful but not universally trusted, with one reviewer valuing HRV and another finding resources too generous.

The operating experience was familiar and straightforward for Garmin users.

The operating system experience was praised in one review as one of the best fitness-first watch systems.

Fit was strong for many wrists, with secure wear and little slipping, though the single case size remained a caveat.

Fit was positive in one review because the large watch still did not feel too large on the wrist.

Pairing reliability for headphones was described as generally solid.

Pairing reliability was praised for easy external sensor connections and the ability to manage multiple sensors of the same type.

Water resistance was considered more than enough for rain, sweat, showering, and swimming use.

Water resistance was viewed positively, with one review highlighting serious waterproof credentials.

Band quality was mostly comfortable and flexible, but one reviewer warned the stock strap needs frequent washing to avoid irritation.

Band quality was mixed: some liked the stock silicone strap, while others disliked the pin fastening, fiddly buckle, or overall band feel.

Battery life was generally good for an AMOLED Garmin and daily training, but reviewers flagged limits for long adventures, always-on use, or heavy GPS/music.

Battery life was one of the clearest strengths, with reviewers repeatedly praising endurance, long GPS runtime, and multi-day use.

Build quality was viewed as solid and well-made for a lightweight running watch.

Build quality was strongly praised, with reviewers calling the hardware premium, sturdy, and well matched to smooth software.

Coaching and structured workouts were praised as approachable, flexible, and valuable for beginner and intermediate runners.

Coaching features were seen as helpful for interpreting training and recovery, especially for runners, though the evidence favored practical context over advanced smartwatch coaching.

Fitness tracking accuracy was praised for broad data quality and even strength-training rep counting in testing.

One reviewer tied the improved sensors to more meaningful health and training feedback, suggesting better fitness-tracking usefulness than the older model.

Charging speed was praised in the reviews that discussed it, ranging from under two hours to very fast top-ups.

Charging speed was praised as fast enough for quick top-ups before long GPS days.

Third-party app/widget support was available and sometimes useful for tailoring data, though one reviewer did not find it especially useful.

Third-party app support was mixed: SuuntoPlus integrations impressed one reviewer, while another found the two-app limit restrictive.

Bluetooth headphone pairing was reported to work without problems.

Bluetooth connectivity evidence was positive in one review, where phone pairing was described as simple.

Reliability was praised in workout use, with one reviewer reporting no issues with stability.

Reliability was positive in one review that reported no lag, freezes, unexplained shutdowns, or transfer issues.

Comfort was consistently excellent, with reviewers praising the lightweight feel for all-day wear and sleep.

Comfort was mostly positive thanks to the thinner case, lighter feel and improved wrist fit, though size and strap choices still mattered.

Value for money was one of the strongest areas, with reviewers repeatedly calling it a high-value or sweet-spot Garmin.

Value was generally strong but price-sensitive: many reviewers found it competitive or worthwhile, while a few noted the price jump weakened the bargain angle.

Garmin Connect was seen as powerful and useful, with cleaner or comprehensive analysis, though one reviewer found the redesign not much easier.

The companion app was mixed but often useful: some praised route playback, readable analysis, streamlining and polish, while others saw mismatched stats or a basic app.

Recovery insights were useful but clearly limited versus higher Forerunners, with some reviewers calling out missing readiness/load tools or odd recovery estimates.

Recovery insights were mixed: reviewers liked the training context but criticized confusing TrainingPeaks terms, overly optimistic resources, and presentation that was hard to parse.

Brightness was strongly praised in sunlight and adaptive lighting conditions.

Brightness received explicit praise, with one reviewer calling the display brightness unusually strong.

Heart-rate accuracy was generally praised across runs, rides, and intervals, with only occasional optical-sensor lag or spikes.

Heart-rate accuracy was the most debated upgrade: many reviewers called it a major improvement or accurate enough for training, while several still found unreliable readings in hard efforts or certain workouts.

Wi-Fi/music setup drew criticism when troubleshooting made the watch appear connected even though playlist syncing failed.

Wi-Fi connectivity was a recurring map-download annoyance, with reviewers describing slow downloads, cumbersome syncing, or trouble on weak networks.

Sleep tracking was mostly viewed as useful and directionally accurate, though one reviewer reported a poor night that the watch missed.

Sleep tracking drew split feedback, with some reviewers praising sleep timing or nap detection while others reported missed awakenings, hit-or-miss nights, or overly ambitious deep-sleep estimates.

GPS accuracy was one of the strongest themes, with most reviewers finding reliable tracks even without dual-band GPS; a few dense-terrain issues remained.

GPS accuracy was generally strong, especially for land workouts, but several reviewers saw small errors, worse open-water results, or a slight step back from past Suunto performance.

Durability was reassuring, with reviewers reporting no concerns and even real-world abuse without damage.

Durability was praised, with reviewers describing the watch as hard to kill and resistant to visible wear during testing.

Size options were limited because the watch comes in only one size, though one reviewer liked the in-between fit.

Size options were a caveat because reviewers noted the 49mm case can feel big for smaller wrists.

Mapping and navigation were useful for breadcrumb routes and GPX/course following, but the lack of full maps was a repeated limitation.

Mapping and navigation were a major strength once maps were loaded, but reviewers also noted non-routable maps, slow downloads, and missing labels or POIs.

Outdoor visibility was excellent in direct sun and bright conditions.

Outdoor visibility was consistently excellent, with reviewers reporting easy readability in bright sun and direct sunlight.

Style and design were viewed as slim, low-profile, sleek, and suitable for daily wear, though still sporty.

Style and design were widely praised, with reviewers calling the Race 2 sleek, gorgeous, modern, robust, and premium-looking.

Software smoothness was praised as simple, fast, and accurate in use.

Software smoothness was widely praised as improved, with reviewers noting slicker widgets, smoother scrolling, and little delay.

Display quality was a standout strength thanks to a crisp, vibrant AMOLED screen, though one reviewer still preferred MIP for always-visible use.

Display quality was one of the strongest points, repeatedly described as bright, sharp, readable, stunning, and easy to use during training.

Blood oxygen tracking was treated as a useful extra by reviewers who valued the reassurance, though broader accuracy was not deeply tested.

Calorie tracking was criticized in one review for producing numbers that appeared much too high.

Cross-platform compatibility was supported by positive evidence for importing and sharing workout data through services such as Strava.

The flashlight mode was strongly praised by one reviewer as unexpectedly handy and bright enough for real use.