Average score
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.1
Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.9
app ecosystem
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.0

Reviews mention a relatively large software marketplace and Connect IQ access for apps, widgets, and personalization.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Garmin's broader software ecosystem is a positive, with Connect and Connect IQ giving the watch more depth than a barebones entry-level tracker.

band quality
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
3.9

Band impressions are mixed: the included silicone strap is described as high quality, but one reviewer said the white band gets dirty easily.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

The included band gets positive remarks for its slim silicone construction and everyday wearability.

battery life
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.6

Battery life is a clear strength, with reviewers reporting long real-world endurance from multi-day always-on use to weeks between charges depending on settings and size.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.9

Battery life is good for an AMOLED running watch and often lands near Garmin's claims, but it is not class-leading once heavy GPS use or always-on display enters the picture.

blood oxygen tracking
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.2

The watch includes wrist-based pulse-ox tracking for blood oxygen saturation, with reviews noting altitude and wellness uses.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.7

Pulse-ox support is present and useful for extra health data, but it is treated more as a nice add-on than a core reason to buy the watch.

Bluetooth connectivity
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.2

Bluetooth support is well covered, including sensor pairing and accessory connectivity alongside Garmin’s broader smartwatch radios.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.3

Bluetooth support is solid for headphones and sensor sharing, with reviewers reporting stable connections in normal use.

brightness
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.7

Screen brightness is consistently praised, with reviewers calling it easy to see indoors, outdoors, and even on sunny days.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Screen brightness is strong enough to make the display look lively and readable instead of dim or washed out.

build quality
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.8

Build quality is described as rugged and tank-like, with premium-feeling construction for a high-end sports watch.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Build quality is strong for the price, with reviewers calling Garmin's overall construction dependable.

button controls
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.5

The physical controls are a strong point, with dedicated buttons, useful shortcuts, and a more satisfying click than some newer Garmin alternatives.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.4

The five-button layout is a real advantage for sweaty workouts and gloves, giving the watch dependable control beyond touch alone.

call handling
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
2.8

Phone integration is limited for calls on some setups, with one review noting you cannot respond to texts or calls in that configuration.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
1.5

Call features are limited because the watch lacks a microphone and speaker for taking calls directly from the wrist.

calorie tracking usefulness
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.0

Garmin Connect gives clear daily calorie totals, including base and active calories, making calorie data easy to review.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
No score yet
charging convenience
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
2.8

Charging is less convenient than open USB-C freedom because the watch still relies on Garmin’s proprietary charger.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
2.5

Charging is less convenient than USB-C-on-watch designs because Garmin still relies on its proprietary cable.

charging speed
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.5

Charging speed is improved and widely praised, with reviews citing fast top-ups and roughly an hour to reach full charge.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Charging speed is a plus, with reviewers commonly seeing a full charge in about an hour.

coaching features
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.4

Training guidance is a strong area, with suggested workouts, customizable plans, race support, and coaching-oriented tools called out positively.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Coaching is a major strength, with Garmin Coach, adaptive plans, and suggested workouts giving newer runners useful structure without much friction.

comfort
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.5

Comfort is better than the size suggests for at least some users, with one reviewer saying the watch is comfortable enough to mostly disappear on wrist.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Comfort is a standout, with many reviewers saying the watch feels light, unobtrusive, and easy to wear all day and overnight.

companion app quality
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
3.5

Garmin Connect is useful and feature-rich, but reviews also say some finer watch settings are still awkward to manage from the phone side.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Garmin Connect is generally useful and improving, though some reviewers still find it a bit dense compared with simpler platforms.

contactless payments
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.2

Garmin Pay is treated as genuinely useful for runs and outdoor use, with reviewers saying it works in normal tap-to-pay situations.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Garmin Pay is a convenient inclusion and works well when supported by the user's bank, adding real day-to-day usefulness during runs and errands.

cross-platform compatibility
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
3.8

The watch works with both iOS and Android, but reviews note feature differences and a generally better experience on Android.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

The watch works across phone platforms, though the notification experience can vary somewhat between iPhone and Android.

customization options
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.4

Customization is extensive, with adjustable settings, customizable data pages, widgets, bands, and downloadable extras.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.3

Customization is a strong point, with editable widgets, data screens, watch faces, and settings that let users tune the experience to their preferences.

display quality
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.8

The AMOLED display is one of the product’s standout strengths, repeatedly described as beautiful, vivid, and high resolution.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

The AMOLED display is a headline feature, repeatedly praised for its sharpness, color, and premium feel at this price.

durability
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.5

Durability is strong overall, with reports of the watch holding up well in long-term use and the sapphire crystal resisting visible damage.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Durability looks strong for normal training use, with reviewers calling the watch durable and noting it held up well over time.

ECG functionality
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.0

ECG support is part of the Pro story, with reviews noting the feature arrived via firmware on supported models.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
1.5

ECG is a clear omission; multiple reviewers note that shoppers who need ECG or EKG features should look at pricier Garmin models.

fit
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
3.7

Fit varies by wrist size, but the expanded case range helps; some reviewers found good fit on smaller wrists while others still found larger versions bulky.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Fit is generally good across typical wrists, though the single-case-size approach will not suit everyone equally.

fitness tracking accuracy
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.8

Overall fitness tracking accuracy is a major selling point, especially for GPS-based workouts and consistent distance tracking.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Core fitness tracking is described as accurate and dependable for day-to-day activity and general training use.

GPS accuracy
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.8

GPS performance is repeatedly described as excellent, with reviews highlighting reliable positioning, accurate routes, and class-leading results.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.3

GPS accuracy is one of the watch's standout strengths, with repeated praise for dependable routes and mileage even without dual-band GPS.

health tracking accuracy
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.2

Health tracking is generally viewed positively, with reviewers trusting the data more than before even if not every metric is treated as perfect.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Reviewers describe the watch's sleep and workout insights as highly accurate and useful for everyday training decisions.

heart rate accuracy
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.5

Heart-rate accuracy is broadly praised, especially against chest straps, though some reviews still note occasional limits in harder efforts.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.3

Heart-rate performance is generally strong, with several reviewers finding it reliable and in some cases close to chest-strap or higher-end watch readings.

materials quality
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
3.5

Material choices look functional and durable, but one review notes the polymer-heavy build is more tool-like than luxurious.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.7

Materials are more functional than luxurious, leaning on polymer and plastic to keep weight low, though the glass still feels durable.

menu navigation
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
2.8

Menu navigation can be demanding, with one reviewer saying deeper customization still involves too much fiddling.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Menu navigation is flexible because the watch can be fully operated with buttons, touch, or a mix of both.

music controls
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.0

Music controls are available and useful, with support for controlling apps like Spotify and integrated music control features.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.3

Music handling is functional but mixed: controls are handy once set up, yet several reviewers find Garmin's music experience clunky or not worth the premium.

onboard music storage
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.4

Onboard storage is generous enough for music, with reviews pointing to 32GB capacity and local audio support.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.7

Offline music support is helpful on the Music model and includes major services, but the extra cost and setup friction keep it from being an easy win.

operating system experience
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.0

The Garmin software experience is described as robust and feature-rich, though it still expects users to invest time learning it.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

The watch OS feels familiar and practical, making common tasks like scrolling through menus and smart features straightforward.

outdoor visibility
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.8

Outdoor visibility is excellent, with reviewers calling the screen easy to read in strong sun and varied light.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Outdoor visibility is excellent, with reviewers consistently able to read the screen in sunlight and other bright conditions.

pairing reliability
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
No score yet
Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Pairing reliability is strong for Bluetooth headphones in day-to-day use.

recovery insights
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.5

Recovery tools such as Recovery Time, Acute Load, and related guidance are repeatedly described as useful for planning training.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Recovery Time, Training Effect, and similar post-workout guidance are useful, but the watch still lacks deeper training-readiness and load tools from higher-end models.

reliability
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.5

Long-term reliability is a clear positive, with reviewers describing the watch as dependable in day-to-day use.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.5

Overall reliability is strong, with reviewers repeatedly calling the watch dependable in daily use and training.

safety features
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.3

Safety-oriented tools get positive mentions, including flashlight visibility, strobe options, and location-sharing style features such as LiveTrack.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.8

Safety features like emergency contacts, incident alerts, and phone-finding tools add meaningful utility beyond pure fitness tracking.

size options
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.6

The three-size lineup is one of the headline upgrades, with multiple reviews praising the better fit options for smaller and larger wrists.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
2.5

Only one size is offered, which simplifies the lineup but reduces fit choice for shoppers who prefer smaller or larger cases.

sleep tracking accuracy
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
3.6

Sleep tracking is seen as improved but not perfect, with some reviewers praising better results while others still question exact precision.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.8

Sleep tracking is usually judged accurate enough for nightly timing and general recovery, though one reviewer found the sleep score too generous on a rough night.

smartphone notifications
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.2

Phone notifications are handled well, with reviews highlighting readable alerts and even good emoji support.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Phone notifications are easy to read and generally reliable, though they are basic smartwatch alerts rather than a full communications experience.

smartwatch features
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
3.7

Smartwatch basics are solid rather than dominant, covering notifications, music, payments, weather, and other everyday tools.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.9

Smartwatch extras like notifications, payments, music on the Music model, and safety tools are useful, but the feature set is still secondary to fitness and training.

software smoothness
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.1

General performance is good, but the watch is not universally seen as ultra-smooth; some reviewers praise stability while others note less polished animation or feel.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Software smoothness is good, with swipes and widget navigation feeling responsive rather than sluggish.

step counting accuracy
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
No score yet
Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Step counts are reported to line up closely with comparison devices, suggesting dependable all-day step tracking.

stress tracking
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.1

Stress tracking is part of the broader recovery picture and is used in Garmin’s readiness and Body Battery style insights.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Stress and recovery-style wellness metrics are available and helpful for day-to-day awareness, even if they are not the platform's most advanced readiness tools.

style and design
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.3

Design is widely praised for balancing rugged outdoor character with an attractive everyday look.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

The design is sporty, slim, and easy to wear daily, though it favors practical training aesthetics over luxury materials.

third-party app support
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.0

Third-party support exists through Connect IQ and related downloads, giving users access to extra apps and add-ons.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Connect IQ widgets, watch faces, and sync options add useful third-party flexibility, though the ecosystem is still more fitness-focused than app-heavy smartwatch rivals.

touchscreen responsiveness
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.5

Touch response is strong, with reviewers saying the screen works well even in wet conditions and avoids over-sensitivity.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.4

Touch response is consistently praised as smooth and reliable, and it works well alongside the physical controls.

user interface
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
3.3

The interface is powerful but mixed in usability: some reviewers find it intuitive enough, while others still call it confusing or busy.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.3

The interface is approachable and easy to learn, which helps the Forerunner 165 feel friendlier than more intimidating Garmin options.

value for money
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
3.8

Value is mixed: reviewers respect the hardware and long-term usefulness, but many still call the price high and note cheaper Garmin alternatives.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.3

Value is one of the Forerunner 165's biggest advantages, especially for runners who want Garmin training depth without moving up to much pricier models.

voice assistant quality
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
No score yet
Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
1.5

Voice-assistant support is absent, so this is not a strong pick for users who want voice help from a smartwatch.

watch face quality
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
No score yet
Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Watch-face options are plentiful thanks to built-in designs and Connect IQ additions.

water resistance
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.5

Water resistance is a strength, with repeated mentions of 100-meter or 10 ATM capability for swimming and even diving scenarios.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.0

Water resistance is solid for rain, sweat, and swimming, making it suitable for everyday fitness use around water.

wellness insights
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.4

Wellness features such as HRV, Body Battery, Training Readiness, and similar guidance are frequently highlighted as useful.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
4.4

Morning Report, Body Battery, HRV, and related insights are widely seen as genuinely useful for understanding recovery, sleep, and daily readiness.

Wi-Fi connectivity
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.0

Wi-Fi support is present for tasks like syncing and map downloads, adding convenience beyond Bluetooth-only workflows.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.3

Wi-Fi helps with music downloads and syncing on supported models, but at least one reviewer found the setup and troubleshooting process frustrating.

workout tracking variety
Product 1: Garmin Epix Pro (Gen 2)
4.3

Workout and sport coverage is broad, with reviewers repeatedly pointing to a very large activity list and many sport profiles.

Product 2: Garmin Forerunner 165
3.9

Workout coverage is broad for common sports like running, cycling, swimming, hiking, and gym work, but missing triathlon and some niche activities limits the ceiling.